[CSG Fall 2008] Collaborative Applications and Infrastructure Panel

My notes are spotty here because I’m on this panel Klara is talking about the challenges they face at Duke – they had education materials about how faculty could use Web 2.0 systems, but then it became clear that faculty wanted the institution to provision those spaces in similar ways. Now they are dealing with … Continue reading “[CSG Fall 2008] Collaborative Applications and Infrastructure Panel”

My notes are spotty here because I’m on this panel

Klara is talking about the challenges they face at Duke – they had education materials about how faculty could use Web 2.0 systems, but then it became clear that faculty wanted the institution to provision those spaces in similar ways. Now they are dealing with the tension between the need for privacy and security and desire for openness (need both within the same project). Faculty need collaborators outside the institution. Policy issues are tricky, as are identity and access management. Carrying the artifacts forward is an issue.

Shel is talking about some of the work from Berkeley on their Draft Strategy for Campus Collaborative tools. It’s tough to get hands around the problem space, so they did a research project on that. Ultimate goal was to make collaborative activities as easy as using email or phones. But the space is changing quickly – how are we to help faculty do better with collaboration?

Original idea: a campus toolkit that would be a family of collaborative tools – a mashup of mashups. That idea got trashed by the campus – “can’t ride a tornado even if you try”. Every person uses a different set of tools.

Their motto now: “Embrace the chaos”. Can’t fight or control it, so need to tap into it. Invest in infrastructure that allows that embrace as easily and securely as possible. Toolkit will be around guidance to the community – policy, privacy, and security.

Goals: provide enhanced identity management services; make it easier to use and share data in collaborative tools; train workforce to work with and support these new collaborative technologies (privacy guidelines); establish a common framework and vocabulary for defining support for collaborative tools.

Application folks are doing analogous stuff with SOA and web services. The infrastructure folks are hell-bent to keep this from happening – what about building bullet-proof reliable services?

Students expect to be able to easily shift contexts and identities – want some stuff that’s Berkeley-branded, but not always.

In outsourcing infrastructure for Bell Labs, Shel learned that in trying to impose all of the eventual conditions on the outsourced vendors that they eliminated all of the possible advantages and cost-savings. As we have gone into perpetual Google beta-land, people’s expectations are changing.

Privacy expectations are also changing, and we have an educational role to play there.

Need to help educate IT staff not in the central organization. Example of a dean who decided to move learning apps to Facebook while the IT staff in that unit was in the process of developing new apps for Sakai.

Expect to adopt report by January.

Lots of discussion about policy issues and what needs to be retained, and what to do with access requests.

I got people talking about the concepts of scholarly social networks.

John is talking about collaborative infrastructure are Brown. They’re trying to unite applications around Mace Grouper, using course memberships. Faculty have been frustrated by the difficulty with the edge cases – where people are in fact participating in courses that the central system doesn’t know about, departmental staff that have roles in courses that the student system doesn’t know about, etc. They added a schema for each course with roles that extend the official registration. Faculty members “pretty well like it”.

Faculty are largely unaware of the services available to them, and they expect last minute setup, including provisioning. Building a faculty gateway. Allows them to see a list of services they can enable for each course. Allows faculty to see and specify who’s in a course, vagabonds, etc. Found that the UI for Mace Grouper is a little beyond many faculty.

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[ICPL 2008] Outsourcing E-Mail: Technology and Policy

Our panel on email went very well. I didn’t take complete notes, as I was on the panel, but here’s what I got: The panel started with John Calkins, Assistant General Counsel from Northwestern, where they’ve implemented Google for students. A good quote: “Free is just one point on a spectrum between they pay us … Continue reading “[ICPL 2008] Outsourcing E-Mail: Technology and Policy”

Our panel on email went very well. I didn’t take complete notes, as I was on the panel, but here’s what I got:

The panel started with John Calkins, Assistant General Counsel from Northwestern, where they’ve implemented Google for students. A good quote: “Free is just one point on a spectrum between they pay us to we pay them.”

For FERPA they’re thinking that student email residing in a student account is not a record maintained by the University, and therefore would not be covered by FERPA. They also got Google to agree that any record that would be subject to FERPA at the university would be treated as such by Google. They hear that Google is not necessarily willing to agree to that now.

By and large their view is that the arrangement is between Google and the individual student (or alum), not between the university and the student.

90% of their recent graduating class elected to keep their google account with advertising as alumni.

Asbed Bedrossian from USC, which has also implemented Google for students, talked next. Another good quote: “We in the IT department are the transmission fluid in making things run smoothly.”

They use Shibboleth for allowing people to sign in to Google applications on the web with their USC NetID and password. They give people a different password for use if they want to use a non-web IMAP client to access email. (I need to ask Asbed about what they use for Google Talk access with non-web clients).

66% of people who create accounts forward their USC email address to Google. His theory on the rest is that they just want to use the other collaboration apps.

They haven’t had a lot of support issues, but people did start calling their help desk during the recent Google outage.

They use ga.usc.edu for their third level domain name.

They’re not migrating mail from existing USC accounts to Google – that turned out to not be a big deal to students at all and they’ve only had a couple of requests for it.

Another good quote: “Doing things is easy – thinking is hard.”

My slides from my part of the panel are here.

Google Docs go offline (that’s a good thing)

Google has started adding offline functionality to its online word processor (not for spreadsheets or presentations yet, though that’s sure to be coming). It’s rolling out to groups of IDs – hasn’t hit mine yet, but I’m looking forward to it. As long as I have an Internet connection, every change I make is saved … Continue reading “Google Docs go offline (that’s a good thing)”

Google has started adding offline functionality to its online word processor (not for spreadsheets or presentations yet, though that’s sure to be coming). It’s rolling out to groups of IDs – hasn’t hit mine yet, but I’m looking forward to it.

As long as I have an Internet connection, every change I make is saved to the cloud. When I lose my connection, I sacrifice some features, but I can still access my documents (for this initial release, you can view and edit word processing documents; right now we don’t support offline access to presentations or spreadsheets – see our help center for details). Everything I need is saved locally. And I do everything through my web browser, even when I’m offline (the goodness that Google Gears provides). When my connection comes back, my documents sync up again with the server.

It’s all pretty seamless: I don’t have to remember to save my documents locally before packing my laptop for a trip. I don’t have to remember to save my changes as soon as I get back online. And I don’t have to switch applications based on network connectivity. With the extra peace of mind, I can more fully rely on this tool for my important documents.